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PostPosted: Fri Jul 28, 2006 2:57 pm 
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Let me admit from the start that I'm really a ship modeller, and recently got started on card because of the stuff from Paper Shipwright, but -
I want aircraft to go with the ships. I've tried 6mm scale (nominally 1/285) wargames miniatures, but they look horribly crude - has anyone tried blowing WSAM stuff down to 1:250? Any tips / tricks to pass on? Is it worth trying to rig them at all?

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One of the members (MichiK) here does that regularly. He's posted some shots of his group of Sabres done at 1/250 on Cardmodels.net or kartonmodell-forum.de

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Ray Smith (Texman) is another, who does incredible things at diminutive scales. He's a regular visitor to this forum and would probably like to share a few tips with you.

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@Rob, thank you for the kind words, your making me blush!

@Gilgamesh - While Michi is the master at 1/250, I build in 1/144.
I find that using 67# card stock is just about right for my scale. With
that in mind, I do use regular printer paper for some of the smaller
parts that would be out of scale using card stock. Building in the smaller
scales, does have its own set of quirks. Even your tools must be in a
smaller size. I always replace the building tabs with "glue strips", as
this helps eliminate some of the out of scale joints.

Regarding rigging - in 1/144, I find a .004 mm nylon thread exactly right.
However, in 1/250 scale, I'm not sure rigging would be appropriate. If you scale a 2 inch piece of rope to 1/250, it comes out to 1/100 of an inch. Not sure if this would even be possible. But, if you do rig and aircraft, I find it easier to drill the rigging holes before cutting and assembling the parts. It does require some pre-planning, mostly due
to whether it is a monoplane or bi-plane, and how much rigging there is.

Let me know if I can help out some more.

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Gilgamesh!

Scaling FG planes down to 1/250 is possible and should hold no real problems for you. If you'll give it a try you'll see that you'll seldomly encounter bits as tiny as on David Hathaway's ships.

Ray has already mentioned tabs and paper... Usually, I sand the trailing edges of the wings thin. Depending on the paper you use, this might require to soak the trailing edges with diluted glue first.

Tools? Some good pairs of tweezers (especially the type where you have to press to open, unfortunately I don't know how those are called in english) come very handy with such small models. An assortment of skewers and dowels of different diameters and a rubber eraser for forming the parts... A ball pen for scoring the leading edges... And always keep your blade really, really sharp!

As for the rigging: Here (->http://www.mtp-studio.de/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=13070) is a picture of my 1/250 scale Heinkel He60 (from the CFM Admiral Graf Spee model).The rigging at the floats and the antenna was done with surgical silk (the finest I could get). A transparent nylon thread would be less noticeable, of course. Just as above, you should do some little experiments to find out if you like it and if it's worth the effort.

Oh, there's one FG special issue left: Don't trust the scale as declared on the model sheets! They are quite often faulty.

Bye!
Michi


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Thank you, everyone. I'll give it a go - and I'll post up the results.

I know the kind of tweezers referred to - and I also like artery forceps. Positive locking action, and you can get straight, bent or curved points. I think a good dissecting set might be a good move - the mounted needle and small sized scalpel seem like a good idea.

Thanks too for the tip on scales - what do you reckon is the most reliable dimension to check against? With buildings, the height of the door is a good guide, but what about aircraft?

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Well, determining the scale from the most reliable point depends
upon which point you can get a good measurement. I prefer using
the wingspan of an aircraft as the measurement. But that is really
only accurate (while measuring the unassembled kit) if you have a one
piece wing, i.e. the Cessna style wing.

Another method, but more troublesome, is to determine the scale wingspan
of your chosen aircraft. Downscale a three view drawing and
print this until it reaches your desired wingspan. Then, find some piece
on the model that is one continous piece, often the vertical stabilizer,
and measure that. Then determine the scale of the kit, and how much
you need to shrink it.

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